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		<title>David Murray: Brandwashing and Biblewashing</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may not know it, but you&#8217;ve been &#8220;brandwashed,&#8221; probably multiple times, especially if you&#8217;ve shopped at whole foods market. Martin Lindstrom made time&#8217;s 2009 &#8220;world&#8217;s most influential people&#8221; list partly due to his book buyology: truth and lies about why we buy. His latest book, brandwashed, highlights &#8220;the tricks that companies use to manipulate our [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=salvationbygrace.net&#038;blog=7473823&#038;post=2447&#038;subd=salvationbygracealone&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>You may not know it, but you&#8217;ve been &#8220;brandwashed,&#8221; probably multiple times, especially if you&#8217;ve shopped at whole foods market. Martin Lindstrom made time&#8217;s 2009 &#8220;world&#8217;s most influential people&#8221; list partly due to his book buyology: truth and lies about why we buy. His latest book, brandwashed, highlights &#8220;the tricks that companies use to manipulate our minds and persuade us to buy.&#8221; Lindstrom is a fan of Whole Foods and loves their produce, but in a recent Lifehacker column, he used the company as an example of the &#8220;many strategies retail­ers use to encourage us to spend more than we need to — more than we want to.&#8221; Consider these examples from Whole Foods&#8217; New York City store:</p>
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<li>The escalator brings us straight into a realm of freshly cut flowers, immediately priming us to think of freshness, a suggestion that we carry with us subconsciously as we shop.</li>
<li>The prices for the flowers, fresh fruit, and vegetables are scrawled in produced; the &#8220;slate&#8221; is plastic; the prices set at the chain&#8217;s Texas head­quarters; and the &#8220;chalk&#8221; is indelible.</li>
<li>The stacked &#8220;crates&#8221; of melons are actually one large cardboard box that has been designed to reinforce the idea of &#8220;rustic old-time simplicity.&#8221;</li>
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<p>And Whole Foods is just one example.</p>
<p>BRAINWASHING</p>
<p>Try to imagine how much you&#8217;ve been shaped by a lifetime of &#8220;brandwashing.&#8221; Frightening, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>However, the effectiveness of com­mercial &#8220;brandwashing&#8221; should high­light our vulnerability to something far more insidious and evil — spiri­tual brainwashing. <strong>If retailers&#8217; mar­keting strategies are so successful in taking our cash from us, how much more successful is the far less obvious and yet far more powerful priming and seducing we are continually expe­riencing at the hands of the master marketer, the Devil.</strong></p>
<p>Day after day, in both our conscious and subconscious minds, the Evil One is brainwashing us with multiple covert and overt messages. Do you question his power or doubt your own weakness? Well, consider the experi­ment conducted by illusionist Derren Brown, who set out to prove just how susceptible we are to the thousands of signals we are exposed to each day.</p>
<p>Brown invited two advertising creatives to visit his office to discuss some marketing ideas. On their jour­ney across town, Brown arranged for carefully placed clues to appear sur­reptitiously on posters and balloons, in shop windows, and on t-shirts worn by passing pedestrians. When they arrived, the two creatives were given twenty minutes to come up with a cam­paign for a fictional taxidermy store. Brown also gave them a sealed envelope that was only to be opened once they had presented their cam­paign. Twenty minutes later, they presented and then opened the enve­lope. Their plans for the taxidermy store were remarkably similar to the ad campaign that Brown designed, with an astounding 95 percent overlap.</p>
<p>If Derren Brown can do that to advertisers, think what the Devil can do to you. What&#8217;s the solution?</p>
<p>BIBLEWASHING</p>
<p><strong>God has provided His Word to protect and purge us from the Devil&#8217;s brainwashing.  The Bible helps us see the existence of diabolical brainwashing. It gives us a second sense, an ability to discern, a faculty of seeing that enables us to distinguish reality from perception.</strong></p>
<p><strong>The Bible also teaches the easiness of brainwashing. It explains and demonstrates how weak and seducible we are. That&#8217;s painful and hum­bling. But at least it puts us on the alert; it shows us our need of outside help.</strong></p>
<p><strong>The Bible analyzes the elements of brainwashing. It uncovers a number of the Devil&#8217;s strategies, both by numerous descriptions and by fearful examples. It helps us detect his first advances before he gets a foothold in our minds.</strong></p>
<p><strong>The Bible underlines the evil of spiritual brainwashing. We don&#8217;t just risk losing a few dollars as a result of succumbing to a marketing technique. We risk losing our own souls. The stakes could not be higher.</strong></p>
<p>The Bible shows the way of escape from the Devil&#8217;s brainwashing. <strong>When we hear the world&#8217;s cry, &#8220;Conform! Conform! Conform!&#8221; we turn to our Bibles and read not only &#8220;do not be conformed&#8221; but also &#8220;be transformed by the renewal of your mind&#8221; (Rom. 12:2). In fact, if we read the Bible with faith and prayer, our minds will be so renewed that we can eventually say with the Apostle Paul: &#8220;We have the mind of Christ&#8221; (1 Cor. 2:16).</strong></p>
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<li>From December 2012 <a href="http://www.ligonier.org/tabletalk/">Tabletalk Magazine</a></li>
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		<title>Don Carson on Wickedness in the Psalms</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among the insights the Psalms convey, some of the most penetrating deal with the nature of wickedness and of wicked people. Rarely are these put into abstract categories. They are almost always functional and relational. What lies at the heart of the “sinfulness of the wicked”? “There is no fear of God before his eyes” [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=salvationbygrace.net&#038;blog=7473823&#038;post=1900&#038;subd=salvationbygracealone&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-1893" title="David the Psalmist" src="http://salvationbygracealone.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/david-the-psalmist.jpg?w=103&h=150" alt="" width="103" height="150" />Among the insights the Psalms convey, some of the most penetrating deal with the nature of wickedness and of wicked people. Rarely are these put into abstract categories. They are almost always functional and relational.<br />
What lies at the heart of the “sinfulness of the wicked”? “There is no fear of God before his eyes” (Ps. 36:1). This means something more than that the wicked person is foolishly unafraid of the punishment that God will finally mete out (though it does not mean less than that).<strong> It means that the wicked are so blind that they do not see the ultimate realities. They either do not see God at all, or, scarcely less horribly, they do not see God as he is.</strong><br />
<strong>All appropriate behavior and outlook for human beings made in the image of God find their reference point and measure in God himself. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of both knowledge (Prov. 1:7) and wisdom (Prov. 9:10), for “knowledge of the Holy One is understanding” (Prov. 9:10). </strong>The converse is utter folly: “fools despise wisdom and discipline” (Prov. 1:7). Small wonder the psalmist insists that it is the fool who says, “There is no God” (Ps. 14:1). <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>Scarcely less foolish is the conjuring up of domesticated gods we can manage, or of savage gods that are brutal and immoral, or of impersonal gods that depersonalize God’s image-bearers. When one is blind to the true God, including his glorious holiness that must rightly instill fear in image-bearers as rebellious as we, there is no stopping place in our descent into the abyss of folly.</strong></span><br />
<strong>The blindness of the wicked extends to their assessment of themselves. “For in his own eyes he flatters himself too much to detect or hate his sin” (Ps. 36:2). If he could see well enough to detect his sin, to see it for what it is—rebellion against the living God—and hate it for its sheer vileness and utter arrogance before the majestic holiness of his Maker, inevitably he would also fear God. The twin blindnesses are one.</strong><br />
This, of course, is why philosophical debates about the existence of God can never be resolved by reason alone. It is not that God is unreasonable, still less that he has left himself without witness. Rather,<strong> the tragedy and ignominy of human sin leave us, apart from God’s grace, horribly blind. Yet this blindness is culpable blindness: the wicked have no fear of God before their eyes. Paul understands the point so well that he makes this the culminating proof-text in his proof of human lostness (Rom. 3:18). Thank God for the next thirteen verses the apostle pens.</strong></p>
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<li>Carson, D. A. (1998). For the love of God : A daily companion for discovering the riches of God&#8217;s Word. Volume 1. Wheaton, Ill.: Crossway Books.</li>
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		<title>D.A. Carson &#8220;Our Broken World&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Things are never quite good as they might be. Or if for a brief moment they are as good as you can imagine them, if for a while you seem to suck in the nectar of life itself with every breath you breathe, you know as well as I do that such highs cannot last. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=salvationbygrace.net&#038;blog=7473823&#038;post=1782&#038;subd=salvationbygracealone&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-1783" title="Paul in Athens" src="http://salvationbygracealone.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/paul-in-athens.jpg?w=99&h=150" alt="" width="99" height="150" />Things are never quite good as they might be. Or if for a brief moment they are as good as you can imagine them, if for a while you seem to suck in the nectar of life itself with every breath you breathe, you know as well as I do that such highs cannot last. Tomorrow you go back to work. You may enjoy your job, but it has its pressures. Your marriage may be well-nigh idyllic, but in a sour mood you may marvel at how much you cannot or will not share with your spouse. The warm west wind that tousles your hair metamorphoses into a tornado that destroys your home. One of your parents succumbs to Alzheimer’s; one of your children dies. There is so much around you to enjoy, yet just as you begin to chew on a filet mignon that your children have bought for you for your birthday, you remember the millions who starve every day. There is no escape from the brute reality that, however wonderful your experiences in this broken world, others suffer experiences far more corrosive, and you yourself cannot ever believe that what you are experiencing is utterly ideal.<br />
<strong>That restlessness is for our good. It is a design feature of our makeup, of our nature as creatures made in the image of God. We were made to inhabit eternity; by constitution we know that we belong to something better than a world (however beautiful at times) awash in sin.</strong><br />
Paul understands this point perfectly (2 Corinthians 5:1–5). He anticipates the time when “the earthly tent” (our present body) will be destroyed, and we will receive “an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands” (5:1)—our resurrection body. “Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling” (5:2). It is not that we wish to “shuffle off our mortal coil” and exist in naked immortality: that is not our ultimate hope, for “we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life” (5:4).<br />
Then Paul adds: “Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come” (5:5). <strong>God made us for this purpose, i.e., for the purpose of resurrection life, secured for us by the death of his Son. </strong>Moreover, in anticipation of this glorious consummation of life, already God has given us his Spirit as a deposit, a kind of down payment on the ultimate inheritance.<br />
Small wonder, then, that we groan in anticipation and find our souls restless in this temporary abode that is under sentence of death.</p>
<ul>
<li>Carson, D. A. (1998). For the love of God : A daily companion for discovering the riches of God&#8217;s Word. Volume 2 (25). Wheaton, Ill.: Crossway Books.</li>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOOKING TO JESUS. &#8211; HEBREWS 12:2 It is always the Holy Spirit&#8217;s work to turn our eyes away from self to Jesus. But Satan&#8217;s work is just the opposite; he is constantly trying to make us look at ourselves instead of Christ. He insinuates, &#8220;Your sins are too great for pardon; you have no faith; [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=salvationbygrace.net&#038;blog=7473823&#038;post=1296&#038;subd=salvationbygracealone&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>It is always the Holy Spirit&#8217;s work to turn our eyes away from self to Jesus. But Satan&#8217;s work is just the opposite; he is constantly trying to make us look at ourselves instead of Christ. He insinuates, &#8220;Your sins are too great for pardon; you have no faith; you do not repent enough; you will never be able to continue to the end; you do not have the joy of His children; you have such a wavering hold on Jesus.&#8221; All these are thoughts about self, and we will never find comfort or assurance by looking within. But the Holy Spirit turns our eyes entirely away from self: He tells us that we are nothing, but that Christ is everything. Remember, therefore, it is not your bold of Christ that saves you—it is Christ; it is not your joy in Christ that saves you—it is Christ; it is not even faith in Christ, although that is the instrument—it is Christ&#8217;s blood and merits. Therefore, do not look so much to your hand with which you are grasping Christ as to Christ; do not look to your hope but to Jesus, the source of your hope; do not look to your faith, but to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of your faith. We will never find happiness by looking at our prayers, our deeds, or our feelings; it is what Jesus is, not what we are, that gives rest to the soul. If we are to overcome Satan and have peace with God, it must be by &#8220;looking to Jesus.&#8221; Keep your eye simply on Him; let His death, His sufferings, His merits, His glories, His intercession be fresh upon your mind. When you waken in the morning look to Him; when you lie down at night look to Him. Do not let your hopes or fears come between you and Jesus; follow hard after Him, and He will never fail you.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><em>My hope is built on nothing less<br />
Than Jesus&#8217; blood and righteousness:<br />
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,<br />
But wholly lean on Jesus&#8217; name.</em></p>
<p>- Morning and Evening June 28th a.m.</p>
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		<title>John MacArthur on Evil</title>
		<link>http://salvationbygrace.net/2009/06/11/john-macarthur-on-evil/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the 2008 Ligonier West Coast Conference To design a God that would rather have us do our will than Him do His will is to design a God that is not in the bible God did not create evil but willed that it exists Why does evil exist? Westminster Confession of Faith 3.1: God [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=salvationbygrace.net&#038;blog=7473823&#038;post=804&#038;subd=salvationbygracealone&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<li><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-809" title="Grace to You" src="http://salvationbygracealone.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/grace-to-you.jpg?w=150&h=146" alt="Grace to You" width="150" height="146" />From the 2008 Ligonier West Coast Conference</li>
<li>To design a God that would rather have us do our will than Him do His will is to design a God that is not in the bible</li>
<li>God did not create evil but willed that it exists</li>
<li>Why does evil exist?<em> Westminster Confession of Faith</em> 3.1:
<ul>
<li><em>God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy 				counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to 				pass: yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence 				offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of 				second causes taken away, but rather established. </em></li>
<li><em>All that God decrees and all that God providentially brings to pass is all to the praise of His glory.</em></li>
<li>Therefore the existence of evil in the end is to the praise of His glory</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>We wouldn&#8217;t know what wrath was and we would not know what mercy was if there were no sin</li>
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		<title>Ravi Zacharias on &#8220;where does evil come from?&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://salvationbygrace.net/2009/04/24/ravi-zacharias-on-where-does-evil-come-from/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matthew 15:19 &#8211; &#8220;For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.&#8221;<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=salvationbygrace.net&#038;blog=7473823&#038;post=437&#038;subd=salvationbygracealone&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew 15:19 &#8211; &#8220;<span class="woc">For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.&#8221;</span></p>
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		<title>Ravi Zacharias answers the question &#8220;How can their be a God with so much evil in the world?&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://salvationbygrace.net/2009/04/24/ravi-zacharias-answers-the-question-how-can-their-be-a-god-with-so-much-evil-in-the-world/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>How did Adam incline his heart to evil?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Renewing your mind with Dr. R.C. Sproul Regional Conference Q and A 2008 correlative post by John Piper<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=salvationbygrace.net&#038;blog=7473823&#038;post=473&#038;subd=salvationbygracealone&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<li>From Renewing your mind with Dr. R.C. Sproul Regional Conference Q and A 2008</li>
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<li>correlative <a href="http://salvationbygrace.net/2009/03/03/john-piper-on-free-will-vs-gods-sovereignty/">post</a> by John Piper</li>
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		<title>R.C. Sproul &#8211; Did God ordain the Fall?</title>
		<link>http://salvationbygrace.net/2009/04/21/rc-sproul-did-god-ordain-the-fall/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Renewing your mind with Dr. R.C. Sproul Regional Conference Q and A 2008 &#8220;God ordains everything that comes to past and if you deny this &#8211; you are not just not a Calvinist, you are not a theist, because if God has not ordained everything that has come to pass then He is not [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=salvationbygrace.net&#038;blog=7473823&#038;post=467&#038;subd=salvationbygracealone&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<li>&#8220;God ordains everything that comes to past and if you deny this &#8211; you are not just not a Calvinist, you are not a theist, because if God has not ordained everything that has come to pass then He is not sovereign and if He is not sovereign and then He is not God.&#8221;</li>
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		<title>Origin of Evil in Adam &#8211; RYM &quot;Regional Conference QandA #1&quot;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[How did Adam incline evil in his heart when God created him good? Edwards argues that before an action takes place there must be an inclination for that action For Adam to have taken the apple, there must have been an inclination in his heart for sin If he was created with the ability to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=salvationbygrace.net&#038;blog=7473823&#038;post=179&#038;subd=salvationbygracealone&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did Adam incline evil in his heart when God created him good?</p>
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<li>Edwards argues that before an action takes place there must be an inclination for that action</li>
<li>For Adam to have taken the apple, there must have been an inclination in his heart for sin</li>
<li>If he was created with the ability to sin and the ability not to sin, why then would a good creature without any evil in him choose to sin; for him to sin there must have been the inclination in his heart to sin and where did this come from?  Sooner or later, you come to God (the creator).</li>
<li>This is why supralapsarianists say God ordained the fall</li>
<li>Sproul says he would agree with that, but not in such a way that He (God) would have done violence to the creature:  <span style="font-weight:bold;">If God creates a creature with an inclination to sin, how then could he find fault in the creature?  this is why Sproul says he is an infralapsarianist rather than a supralapsarianist. </span>The question he says is where we put the mystery.  We can say how could a good creature incline himself to evil or the supralapsarianist says that God gave him the that inclination, and if we say that how do we escape the conclusion that God is the author of evil and they (the supralapasarianists) would say well that is the mystery; so it is a question of where you put the mystery</li>
<li>Sproul goes on to say that the answers that Adam got the inclination from the devil or his own free will, do not really probe to the depth of the question</li>
<li>Sproul&#8217;s conclusion is that he does not know the answer</li>
<li>Not from the sermon but may be helpful definitions: <span style="font-weight:bold;">The terms are often used in a general sense, with supralapsarianism meaning that God planned the fall and infralapsarianism that God merely foresaw, and hence permitted or merely reacted to, the fall. </span></li>
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<p>From a <a href="http://voiceofthesheep.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/adams-predisposition-for-sin/">website</a> which is a nice summary of the crux of the problem discussed above:<br />
Indeed, as Scripture declares, God looked upon all that He had made, and it was very good.</p>
<p>I have a question, though. How was Adam able to sin? Michael Horton, in Putting Amazing back into Grace, writes, “the impression is given that there is something inherent in our humanness that predisposes us to sin…there is nothing wrong with the Manufacturer or his product; the problem is with what his creatures decided to do with the freedom he sovereignly gave them.”</p>
<p>How, though, did the creature ‘decide’ to do something that he was not predisposed to do in the first place? Is that possible? Is that logical?</p>
<p>I agree that there is nothing wrong with the ‘Manufacturer’, who is God. And I also agree that in the beginning, everything He made was ‘very good’. What I am pondering is how something that is created good and sinless can sin, unless they were created with a predisposition, or bent, toward sin. Horton says Adam was NOT created with a predisposition toward sin. My reply is, how then could Adam sin? Where did the disposition, the propensity, the tendency, the inclination to sin come from? Would it not have to be something he was already capable of doing prior to his doing it for him to be able to do it in the first place? And, if he was already capable of doing it prior to him doing it, does it not follow then that he had to have been created with a predisposition for doing it?</p>
<p>I think many consider Adam’s sin to be that point at which he took and ate, but Scripture teaches that actual sin begins prior to the act. James said of sin, “But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.”</p>
<p>According to James, sin begins with lust, and I think we would all agree that Adam’s sin had to begin somewhere prior to his actually taking the fruit and eating it. Adam, in his heart, had to begin thinking about what he was getting ready to do (Scripture even shows us that Eve, prior to eating, developed lust for the fruit and the results of taking it prior to eating). And my point is that, if Adam had not been created with an inclination toward sin, then he would not have been able to even conceive of sin at all. For if there is no inclination toward something, then there will be no movement in that direction.</p>
<p>I would be interested in your thoughts on how Adam came to sin if he was not already predisposed to sin, or inclined to do so…and don’t give me, “The devil made him do it”!</p>
<p>Various peoples&#8217; Responses:<br />
I think a careful look at the accounts of the Creation and the Fall will reveal that both Adam and Eve were incapable of sinning in and of themselves.They were created as ‘very good’. No blemish. No inherent disposition &#8211; as this would imply that they weren’t all that crash hot.  The temptation could not come from within, but it came from without. The sinless cannot sin unless it is a pressure from an external source &#8211; and this source was Satan.  As the story goes, Eve was beguiled &#8211; now I see no reason why someone who is sinless cannot be tricked or convinced otherwise &#8211; but again I restate that the influence was external. The best lies are those that we are convinced are truths.  A little push was all that Satan required to do … and the state of our world shows the avalanche that has become of it.<br />
response to that statement:<br />
If there is no inclination or disposition to sin whatsoever, then no amount of external influence to disobey would make a difference, would it?  If Adam and Eve were able to sin, and able to NOT sin, then doesn’t the very fact that they were able TO sin mean that there must be some pre-disposition, some pre-inclination, to even be able to have that ability?  Good thoughts, all. The bottom line of all this anyway is that Adam was pre-ordained to fall by God, because the whole plan of redemption was in place prior to creation.<br />
<span style="font-weight:bold;">It is difficult to see the existent conditions from this side of the fall, so far removed from the date of occurrence and with little Biblical information to guide us to understanding. Promote thinking…yes, coming to a final conclusion…no. It is and will be a paradox until we reach full knowledge sometime in the future. Should we educate ourselves on the various views and implications? Yes, but let us not dwell on those things that prove to be a distraction very few sheep ever lose sleep over.</span></p>
<p>From a <a href="http://examiningcalvinism.blogspot.com/2008/11/supralapsarianism-whats-that.html">website</a>:</p>
<p>Tuesday, November 18, 2008<br />
Supralapsarianism? What&#8217;s that?<br />
Laurence Vance writes: “If God has ordained everything for his glory then the reprobation of the wicked is his ‘determinate counsel’ (Acts 2:23) and takes place ‘according to the counsel of his own will’ (Eph. 1:11) no matter which lapsarian system one adheres to.” (The Other Side of Calvinism, p.298)</p>
<p>The contention is whether or not there is any real difference between Supra-lapsarianism vs. Infra-lapsarianism, or whether the purported distinction is merely a false dichotomy, where a system of jargon is invented for the sole purpose of Special Pleading. In other words, the charge is essentially whether any Calvinism inevitably boils down to the hyper Calvinism of Supra-lapsarianism.</p>
<p>First, what is Supra-lapsarianism?</p>
<p>To begin, I will first define the Calvinistic lapsarian terms, and then I will cite a couple of quotes, and then ask you three simple (Yes/No) questions.</p>
<p>The word “lapsarian” comes from the Latin word lapsus, which means the “doctrine of the Fall.” The prefix supra means above, while the prefix infra implies below. So the perspective of the former is “before the Fall” while the perspective of the latter is “after the Fall,” or in lieu of the Fall.</p>
<p>1) Supra-lapsarianism: The damnation of the [alleged] “non-elect” is according to the secret purpose of God, without regard to their sin. Creation, the Fall, and sin must all be the manifestation of the secret counsel of God, having created the [alleged] “non-elect” by necessity. This is also known as Double Predestination or Unconditional Reprobation. Its logical order is:</p>
<p>1. Election and Reprobation</p>
<p>2. Creation</p>
<p>3. Fall</p>
<p>4. Atonement for the elect</p>
<p>5. Salvation for the elect</p>
<p>Here is a statement of Supralapsarianism:</p>
<p>John Calvin writes: “&#8230;God has chosen to salvation those whom He pleased, and has rejected the others, without our knowing why, except that its reason is hidden in His eternal counsel.” (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, p.53)</p>
<p>Calvin explains: “When God prefers some to others, choosing some and passing others by, the difference does not depend on human dignity or indignity. It is therefore wrong to say that the reprobate are worthy of eternal destruction.” (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, pp.120-121)</p>
<p>In other words, Reprobation is just as unconditional as Election.</p>
<p>Calvin adds: “If what I teach is true, that those who perish are destined to death by the eternal good pleasure of God though the reason does not appear, then they are not found but made worthy of destruction.” (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, p.121)</p>
<p>In other words, the Unconditional Reprobation of the wicked is not in lieu of their sin, but in lieu of God’s alleged decree, which establishes their “lot” in life:</p>
<p>Calvin writes: “…the reason why God elects some and rejects others is to be found in His purpose alone. … before men are born their lot is assigned to each of them by the secret will of God. … the salvation or the destruction of men depends on His free election.” (Calvin’s New Testament Commentaries: Romans and Thessalonians, p.203)</p>
<p>Calvin writes: “There are some, too, who allege that God is greatly dishonored if such arbitrary power is bestowed on Him. But does their distaste make them better theologians than Paul, who has laid it down as the rule of humility for the believers, that they should look up to the sovereignty of God and not evaluate it by their own judgment?” (Calvin’s New Testament Commentaries: Romans and Thessalonians, pp.209-210)</p>
<p>Calvin adds: “At this point in particular the flesh rages when it hears that the predestination to death of those who perish is referred to the will of God.” (Calvin’s New Testament Commentaries: Romans and Thessalonians, p.208)</p>
<p>2) Infra-lapsarianism: The damnation of the [alleged] “non-elect” is strictly according to the sin of man. This is called Single Predestination, and closely associated with Preterition, which conveys the meaning that the [alleged] “non-elect” are simply “passed by” and left out of the will of God. It rejects the idea that God creates sinners by “necessity,” and to ultimately damn them for the glory of God.</p>
<p>1. Creation</p>
<p>2. Fall</p>
<p>3. Election and Reprobation</p>
<p>4. Atonement for the elect</p>
<p>5. Salvation for the elect</p>
<p>Calvinist, Charles Spurgeon, explains: “If any of you want to know what I preach every day, and any stranger should say, ‘Give me a summary of his doctrine,’ say this, ‘He preaches salvation all of grace, and damnation all of sin. He gives God all the glory for every soul that is saved, but he won’t have it that God is to blame for any man that is damned.’ That teaching I cannot understand. My soul revolts at the idea of a doctrine that lays the blood of man’s soul at God’s door. I cannot conceive how any human mind, at least any Christian mind, can hold any such blasphemy as that.” (Jacob and Esau)</p>
<p>So it seems that according to John Calvin, the sentiment expressed by Chares Spurgeon is nothing more than an example of how “the flesh rages” against the “arbitrary power” of the “sovereignty of God.”</p>
<p>3) Sub-lapsarianism: As a close relative of Infra-lapsarianism, the prefix sub also implies below or after. This designation accommodates the atonement views of the 4-Point Calvinists, so that Election and Reprobation are placed in a logical order which follow the atonement:</p>
<p>1. Creation</p>
<p>2. Fall</p>
<p>3. Atonement for all</p>
<p>4. Election and Reprobation</p>
<p>Salvation for the elect</p>
<p>4) Conclusion: Now we come to the conclusion, which is the question of whether any of these designations are legitimate distinctions, or merely worthless jargon used to confound, confuse and obfuscate:</p>
<p>Calvinist, G.C. Berkouwer, states: “We cannot speak of before and after in God’s eternal decrees as we do in time, hence the difference between supra and infra can be called imaginary because it implies the application of a temporal order to eternity.” (Divine Election, p.261)</p>
<p>Berkouwer adds: “The fall must ultimately have been part of God’s counsel and therefore it ‘rests’ in God’s sovereign pleasure. But in that case the infra concept says the same as the supra.” (Divine Election, p.261)</p>
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